• Llama

    From Cougar428@VERT to All on Tue Dec 20 04:51:58 2022
    I recently inherited a Llama .22lr 'Especiale' which looks like a small 1911 Colt. It has a mfg code of B1 which (I think) is 1956. It was used when my dad bought it in the 60's, but is in great condition.

    Only came with one magazine and a leather holster. After cleaning it, I took it to the range and put about 50 rounds through it. It wasn't very accurate at long distances but did a 4" group at around 10 yards.

    I used CCI copper jacket minimags (40 grain) and the pistol ran like a small sewing machine. After switching to some CCI lead jacket 22lr 40Gr standard velocity rounds, I noticed the weapon would occasionally fail to fully eject causing a stoppage. It was fun to shoot though.

    Looking up Llama, apparently the company filed bankrupt in the late 80's or early 90's, but was bought by another company?

    It's a great little plinker. Looks like they also made this model in different calibers. It's a nice compact 45 look alike.

    Cougar

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Cougar428 on Tue Dec 20 23:57:00 2022
    Re: Llama
    By: Cougar428 to All on Tue Dec 20 2022 04:51 am

    I recently inherited a Llama .22lr 'Especiale' which looks like a small 1911

    Only came with one magazine and a leather holster. After cleaning it, I took

    I used CCI copper jacket minimags (40 grain) and the pistol ran like a small s fun to shoot though.

    Looking up Llama, apparently the company filed bankrupt in the late 80's or

    It's a great little plinker. Looks like they also made this model in differe

    Cougar


    Walther (Umarex) makes a nice 7/8 scale Colt 1911 copy chambered for .22lr.

    I used to read about Llama's in the gun magazines in the 1980's, but never heard about them since the 1990's.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Moondog on Wed Dec 21 02:18:14 2022
    Re: Llama
    By: Moondog to Cougar428 on Tue Dec 20 2022 11:57 pm

    Re: Llama
    By: Cougar428 to All on Tue Dec 20 2022 04:51 am

    I recently inherited a Llama .22lr 'Especiale' which looks like a small 1

    Only came with one magazine and a leather holster. After cleaning it, I t

    I used CCI copper jacket minimags (40 grain) and the pistol ran like a sm s fun to shoot though.

    Looking up Llama, apparently the company filed bankrupt in the late 80's

    It's a great little plinker. Looks like they also made this model in diff

    Cougar


    Walther (Umarex) makes a nice 7/8 scale Colt 1911 copy chambered for .22lr.

    I used to read about Llama's in the gun magazines in the 1980's, but never heard about them since the 1990's.

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    Wrong. If you pay attention, I always keep talking about my Llama .38 :-)

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to MOONDOG on Thu Dec 22 14:36:00 2022
    Walther (Umarex) makes a nice 7/8 scale Colt 1911 copy chambered for .22lr.

    I used to read about Llama's in the gun magazines in the 1980's, but never MO>heard about them since the 1990's.

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    Hi there Moondog, I was unfamiliar with the brand until I got this one.
    It was what my dad got my mother for personal protection while he was in Vietnam. He bought it used, I had forgotten about it until my brother
    asked me if I wanted it. The little research I did, I mentioned earlier.

    Just wanted to poke my head in the Firearms message base. I also have a
    Beretta Neos .22lr with a 4.5" barrel and a carbine kit with a 16"
    barrel, and a Savage .22lr Carbine. Noting bigger (except a .410
    Mossberg 500).

    I don't have a carry license, just a target plinker with my small arms.

    Cougar
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  • From Weatherman@VERT/TLCBBS to Cougar428 on Fri Dec 23 15:22:02 2022
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    Hi there Moondog, I was unfamiliar with the brand until I got this one.
    It was what my dad got my mother for personal protection while he was in Vietnam. He bought it used, I had forgotten about it until my brother
    asked me if I wanted it. The little research I did, I mentioned earlier.

    Just wanted to poke my head in the Firearms message base. I also have a Beretta Neos .22lr with a 4.5" barrel and a carbine kit with a 16"
    barrel, and a Savage .22lr Carbine. Noting bigger (except a .410
    Mossberg 500).

    I don't have a carry license, just a target plinker with my small arms.

    Cougar
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    I have a U22 Neos as well. Mine's got the 6" barrel. Fun little plinkster, and a cool looking piece. Not many who see it will at first recognize it as a Baretta.
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  • From Cougar428@VERT to WEATHERMAN on Sat Dec 24 10:29:00 2022
    Hi there Weatherman - I wish I would have opted for the 6" barrel, the
    4.5" barrel is less accurate. If you like the accuracy of the 6" barrel,
    you'd also like the carbine kit for it.

    You take off the handle and the barrel, then replace the handle with the carbine stock and the 16" barrel. Makes it much more accurate! It takes
    about 5 minutes to do, but it's alot of fun to shoot.

    Yeah, the NEOS looks kind of like a phaser pistol or something out of a
    sci-fi movie. Fits my hand well and is alot of fun to shoot!

    Cougar

    I have a U22 Neos as well. Mine's got the 6" barrel. Fun little plinkster, WE>and a cool looking piece. Not many who see it will at first recognize it as WE>Baretta.
    Regards,
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  • From Weatherman@VERT/TLCBBS to Cougar428 on Sun Dec 25 08:28:27 2022
    Hi there Weatherman - I wish I would have opted for the 6" barrel, the
    4.5" barrel is less accurate. If you like the accuracy of the 6" barrel, you'd also like the carbine kit for it.

    You take off the handle and the barrel, then replace the handle with the carbine stock and the 16" barrel. Makes it much more accurate! It takes about 5 minutes to do, but it's alot of fun to shoot.

    Yeah, the NEOS looks kind of like a phaser pistol or something out of a sci-fi movie. Fits my hand well and is alot of fun to shoot!

    Cougar

    Yeah, I've been trying to find the carbine kit for mine, but they're quite difficult to find. I suppose I could look in the secondary market, but unless I can touch, feel, see the item personally I tend to distrust the secondary.

    The Neos IS definitely a fun little pistol. I like the full length rail, makes it adaptable to so many optic options...

    Hope your Christmas was a good one. Mine involved the brand names Ruger and Buck, so I was quite pleased!


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Arelor on Mon Dec 26 14:07:00 2022
    Re: Llama
    By: Arelor to Moondog on Wed Dec 21 2022 02:18 am

    Re: Llama
    By: Moondog to Cougar428 on Tue Dec 20 2022 11:57 pm

    Re: Llama
    By: Cougar428 to All on Tue Dec 20 2022 04:51 am

    I recently inherited a Llama .22lr 'Especiale' which looks like a smal

    Only came with one magazine and a leather holster. After cleaning it,

    I used CCI copper jacket minimags (40 grain) and the pistol ran like a s fun to shoot though.

    Looking up Llama, apparently the company filed bankrupt in the late 80

    It's a great little plinker. Looks like they also made this model in d

    Cougar


    Walther (Umarex) makes a nice 7/8 scale Colt 1911 copy chambered for .22l

    I used to read about Llama's in the gun magazines in the 1980's, but neve heard about them since the 1990's.

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    Wrong. If you pay attention, I always keep talking about my Llama .38 :-)

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    I mentioned the Walther because they are available and recent. I acknowledge the of the Llamas in older magazines.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Cougar428 on Mon Dec 26 14:13:00 2022
    Re: Llama
    By: Cougar428 to MOONDOG on Thu Dec 22 2022 02:36 pm

    Walther (Umarex) makes a nice 7/8 scale Colt 1911 copy chambered for .22l

    I used to read about Llama's in the gun magazines in the 1980's, but neve MO>heard about them since the 1990's.

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    Hi there Moondog, I was unfamiliar with the brand until I got this one.
    It was what my dad got my mother for personal protection while he was in Vietnam. He bought it used, I had forgotten about it until my brother
    asked me if I wanted it. The little research I did, I mentioned earlier.

    Just wanted to poke my head in the Firearms message base. I also have a Beretta Neos .22lr with a 4.5" barrel and a carbine kit with a 16"
    barrel, and a Savage .22lr Carbine. Noting bigger (except a .410
    Mossberg 500).

    I don't have a carry license, just a target plinker with my small arms.

    Cougar

    I alos have a 4.5" Neos. The longer barreled model, I think it was a 6" barrel, looks cool. My only comlaint was roll pins walking loose. I've hammered them in and added a bit of loctite on the rail pins. The carbine
    kit looks interesting.

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  • From Cougar428@VERT to WEATHERMAN on Thu Dec 29 08:24:00 2022
    Wow are you right! I did a quick search and it looks like these are
    pretty hard to find, and when you do see them they are pricey.

    Guess I made a good decision to get one back when I purchased the
    weapon. Who would have known...

    Cougar

    Yeah, I've been trying to find the carbine kit for mine, but they're quite WE>difficult to find. I suppose I could look in the secondary market, but unle WE>I can touch, feel, see the item personally I tend to distrust the secondary.

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  • From Cougar428@VERT to MOONDOG on Thu Dec 29 08:36:00 2022
    I have never experienced the roll pins coming out, but I see from a
    search that it is apparently a common issue and the cure is locktite.

    I don't shoot mine that often so it may be an issue. I did note that the
    site seems to loosen and move occasionally, so I have to move it back
    and tighten it up.

    I alos have a 4.5" Neos. The longer barreled model, I think it was a 6" MO>barrel, looks cool. My only comlaint was roll pins walking loose. I've MO>hammered them in and added a bit of loctite on the rail pins. The carbine MO>kit looks interesting.

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  • From Weatherman@VERT/TLCBBS to Cougar428 on Thu Dec 29 15:07:00 2022
    Cougar428 wrote to WEATHERMAN <=-

    Co> Wow are you right! I did a quick search and it looks like these are
    pretty hard to find, and when you do see them they are pricey.

    Guess I made a good decision to get one back when I purchased the
    weapon. Who would have known...

    Cougar

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    Yeah, you definitely scored on that one. Hopefully I'll find the carbine kit one of these days. Of course, probably the same day I find a C.O.P. 357 and then I'll have a hard decision to make...


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  • From Weatherman@VERT/TLCBBS to Cougar428 on Wed Jan 4 11:42:29 2023
    Yeah, you definitely scored on that one. Hopefully I'll find the carbine ki WE>one of these days. Of course, probably the same day I find a C.O.P. 357 and WE>then I'll have a hard decision to make...

    Those COP Derringers are the bomb! I never thought of getting anything bigger than a .22 for plinking. I did get a Marlin 336 lever action chambered in 30-30, but wow the ammo was so expensive I sold it for what
    I put into it.

    That thing had a kick! Probably like the COP!

    Are you a collector? What kind of firearms do you have besides the
    Beretta (apologies if you already mentioned this)?

    TTYL

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    I don't know if "collector" is the proper designation. Perhaps "accumulator" is more like it. "Collector" to me infers some sort of concentration in a specific realm of firearms ownership. I'm kind of all over the place. I've got most of my must-haves on my list, the COP has been on my RADAR ever since the 1980s when I was a poor Airman in Florida and couldn't afford one to a couple of years ago when I saw one at a local gun show and felt the $1200 would be better spent.

    I have basically one of just about every type of firearm. Single shot black powder rifles and pistols, black powder revolvers, modern single and double action revolvers, SA, DA and SA/DA pistols in a variety of calibers, milsurp rifles and handguns, lever actions from .22 to .45-70. Just about every style of shotgun... It's eclectic to say the least.

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  • From Weatherman@VERT/TLCBBS to Cougar428 on Wed Jan 4 11:47:07 2023
    Yeah, you definitely scored on that one. Hopefully I'll find the carbine ki WE>one of these days. Of course, probably the same day I find a C.O.P. 357 and WE>then I'll have a hard decision to make...

    Those COP Derringers are the bomb! I never thought of getting anything bigger than a .22 for plinking. I did get a Marlin 336 lever action chambered in 30-30, but wow the ammo was so expensive I sold it for what
    I put into it.

    That thing had a kick! Probably like the COP!

    Are you a collector? What kind of firearms do you have besides the
    Beretta (apologies if you already mentioned this)?

    TTYL

    Cougar
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    In the previous replyy I said I had "one" of just about every type of firearm. Should have phrased that differently. "At least one" would be more accurate. For example I have at least eight lever action Henrys, six (I believe) of those being tribute models that my wife absolutely HAD to have. Hell, I even have a double-action multi-barreled manually indexed black powder revolver. Now try to wrap your mind around THAT configuration! ;)
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Weatherman on Wed Jan 4 18:16:00 2023
    Re: Re: Llama
    By: Weatherman to Cougar428 on Wed Jan 04 2023 11:42 am

    Yeah, you definitely scored on that one. Hopefully I'll find the carb ki WE>one of these days. Of course, probably the same day I find a C.O.P 357 and WE>then I'll have a hard decision to make...

    Those COP Derringers are the bomb! I never thought of getting anything bigger than a .22 for plinking. I did get a Marlin 336 lever action chambered in 30-30, but wow the ammo was so expensive I sold it for what I put into it.

    That thing had a kick! Probably like the COP!

    Are you a collector? What kind of firearms do you have besides the Beretta (apologies if you already mentioned this)?

    TTYL

    Cougar
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    I don't know if "collector" is the proper designation. Perhaps "accumulator is more like it. "Collector" to me infers some sort of concentration in a specific realm of firearms ownership. I'm kind of all over the place. I've got most of my must-haves on my list, the COP has been on my RADAR ever sinc the 1980s when I was a poor Airman in Florida and couldn't afford one to a couple of years ago when I saw one at a local gun show and felt the $1200 wo be better spent.

    I have basically one of just about every type of firearm. Single shot black powder rifles and pistols, black powder revolvers, modern single and double action revolvers, SA, DA and SA/DA pistols in a variety of calibers, milsurp rifles and handguns, lever actions from .22 to .45-70. Just about every sty of shotgun... It's eclectic to say the least.

    Regards,
    -==*>Weatherman<*==-


    Numbers to a gun owner are different than what non-gunners perceive. You can own a .22, a shotgun, and a centerfire hunting rifle of some sort, then
    soem would consider that quite a few. I use the golf club analogy. if you t ell a golfer he should get by with one or two clubs, he'd laugh and explain having a sand wedge is an essential club for your collection, it has one role it does better than anything else. Shooting sports, hunting, and general practice and plinking are more diverse than a sport such as golf, and the variation between calibers and types of actions will vary greater.

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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/FINALZON to Cougar428 on Thu Jan 5 13:29:00 2023
    Cougar428 wrote to All <=-

    I recently inherited a Llama .22lr 'Especiale' which looks like a small 1911 Colt. It has a mfg code of B1 which (I think) is 1956. It was used when my dad bought it in the 60's, but is in great condition.

    <snip>

    Very cool!!! I like odd stuff like that! :-)



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